BJCP Certification?

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KevinSchwartzenberg
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BJCP Certification?

The brew house access, barrel aging projects, and group events are awesome and I hope to see even more of them in the future, but one of my biggest goals in joining the club was to improve the quality of my beer. I see at least two ways to do that through CHAOS

1) Getting more experienced brewers to taste my beers and provide suggestions for improvement

2) Learning more about detecting and diagnosing issues so that I can be a better critic of my own beer

Which brings me to my question: How do you all feel about BJCP? Do we have any certified judges in the club? Anyone interested in pursuing certification?

It's an idea I have toyed around with in the past. I'm a little put off by the rigidity of style guidelines and the emphasis on style adherence in competitions, but I also think it can't hurt to learn more about evaluating beer. Thoughts?

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Interesting point about

Interesting point about passing the tasting exam. I hadn't thought of this. I still feel like it would be a worthwhile exercise though. Even if I can't detect diacetyl or DMS at ultra low concentrations, being able to correctly identify them and adapt my process accordingly will still do me some good as a brewer. After all, if I can get the off flavors down below my own detection limit, I will have improved the tasting experience the consumers of 75% of my beer (i.e. me)

Evan Ceisel said:

A friend of mine said this recently. I'm not sure if his is an outdated practice, but, it seems like somewhere to start.

 

"Just remembering the "training" I got at the HBS I worked in, when my boss was training me up to be a brewing judge:
He would take 1 gram of sugar, salt, or vinegar, and dilute it in a liter of bottled water. I would have to taste and identify which was which. Then he would cut this down to 1/2 gram a liter, repeat.
At the time my favorite beer was Doppelbock or Tripel, favorite wine was Port or Mead- all sweet. As a result, I had a hard time figuring out which bottle had the sugar in it. On the other hand- I tended to eat a low salt diet (Never added to any food, but would eat it if it was there)- so I could pick the salt out pretty quickly!
Training yourself to pick up slight tastes is a fun challenge, but it tends to make you over-critical"

 

While I believe anyone can probably pass the written exam (with much studying and research), passing the actual tasting won't be possible for just anyone. As a cigar smoker I'd imagine I'd fail no matter how much I trained. IIRC, taste buds die and once they're gone they're gone. I know I've read that people who actually work as tasters fro wine, olive oil, beer, coffee actually have insured their taste buds. Not trying to be pessimistic, just, we can't all have the senses of a perfume mixologist. Perhaps you're a "nose". Cheers.

 

Kevin Schwartzenberg

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If there is enough people

If there is enough people willing (I need at least 10) then I can set up another Beer Sensory class with Marty...

Let me know...

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I believe there are study

I believe there are study guides and aids on the bjcp website...If I recall correctly.

I would love to make this a regular thing. Would fulfill our "workshop/seminar" that we try to do every month.

Maybe amass a group and a volunteer takes a style for each session and covers history and bjcp guidelines. Maybe serve the examples listed in the guide for the style?

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I think the roundtable idea

I think the roundtable idea is the logical first step in this process. If people are interested we could extend the idea to "style sessions" where one style would be reviewed including history, characteristics, ingredients, and a tasting of commercial and home brewed examples.

Forgot to mention the beer sensory class in my post but I thought that was a great opportunity. Unfortunately I wasn't available that day but it sounds like it went very well and I look forward to another similar opportunity in the future.

Kevin Schwartzenberg

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I am definitely interested in

I am definitely interested in this. Maybe we should have a separate committee dedicated to setting this up? I think the first order of business is to set up round tables where every participant brings homebrew and we go around critiquing each others brews. Is that something you guys would be interested in?


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it was supposed to be a

it was supposed to be a program we implemented this year, it just hasn't happened.  We had a stellar event put on where Marty Natschel, the first certified BJCP judge in Illinois, did a class targeted at teaching you to detect off-flavors and name them.  We should look for other ways to get this going.  If you have any good ideas or suggestions on programs, please post.