After scrounging around on HBT for a while, I'm turning to the infinitely wiser group here at CHAOS. I was thrown into kegging for Ides a couple weeks ago and now that I have a regulator and tank I'm thinking about going up to kegging full-time. Only thing is my space is limited so I'm looking for a mini-fridge, no freezer, that can hold 2-3 5 gal. kegs. Any suggestions?
Mon, Oct 24, 2011 - 7:07pm
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Good Sized Kegging Fridge
BYO has a DIY on making a tower out of PVS pipe in this month's issue...Jim give me you email addy and i will scan it and send it to you...
Something to think about though...Some people do mount the tower on top but I understand it can be a pain when you open the lid...make sure there is clearance so you don't bang the wall...
Thanks to Ed Nash, freezer has been acquired!
I've ordered a temp controller (also thanks to Ed Nash!) and I will probably just use picnic taps and open the lid to pour (for the time being).
If people would be so kind as to continue to indulge my kegerator-building questions, does anyone see a real problem with drilling through the lid and installing a tower rather than building/installing a collar? I did a cursory search and see a double-faucet tower for $120. Is the collar cheaper?
Thanks, gentlemen, for helping me out with advice, links, and rides!
I might just invest in one of those if you can point me to a good one (rather than mess around with the wiring myself, no matter how easy it looks).
Thanks for this, Ed! That's a pretty damn clear explanation of how to wire it.
Are there any pre-wired? Or, are these exorbitantly priced?
Thanks for all the replies! This is all very helpful.
It's more energy efficient than opening a fridge door. In the freezer cold air doesn't pour out since the opening is through top. Picnic taps are fine...they work very well. Plus, you don't have to spend money on a collar or tower + the faucets. If u change your mind later it is an easy upgrade.
Jim..
If you build a 8" collar (7.5" true size) you will be able to get three kegs in there...plus your CO2....
however on mine I keep the bottle external...plus you will need a temp controller...if you don't have one...
I'll see you tonight and we can discuss your options...honestly the collar is the easiest and best way to go...
BTW..you can go through the lid..there is nothing in there but insulating foam....
Good to know. Yet another expense and pain-in-the-ass of kegging. :-) I'm only half-joking.
What about drilling the lid? Same deal?
For the time being I'm just going to leave my picnic taps on and open the freezer every time I need a beer. I know it's not energy efficient....
So, a little extra money came my way and I found a $90 freezer on Craig's List.
This freer I think is approx. 4.5-5 cu. ft. On the main floor, it fits two ball-lock with ease; one ball-lock and one pin-lock also fit; NOT two pin locks. On the shelf, my 5 lb. CO2 tank fits nicely. I do, however, have a few questions.
(1) From where can I get tubing for CO2 lines? Is that stuff available at Home Depot? Any special name?
(2) The CO2 regulator may not fit if it's exactly perpendicular to the ground. If I rotate the regulator so that the gauges are parallel with the ground, it will fit but does that impede CO2 flow? Does that impede the gauges themselves in any way?
(3) How do I drill through the side of the freezer to install a couple of taps? Is there anything to watch out for (e.g., internal wires) or is it just insulated wall?
Ha! That's ingenious! We have a corner of the living room which is in need of an end table; whatever freezer I get will probably too tall to "hide" under, let alone use as, a table. But, yeah, dresser would work!
David Williams said:
The one in the brew house of 15 cubic feet. That's pretty big. I'd say a 5 or 7 cubic feet freezer is a good compact size for the home. Hides away nicely.
I was half tooling around with seeing if I could put one inside one half of a dresser to hide it - or some other piece of furniture. I think that would be fun project.
What size in cu.ft. is the keezer at the brew house (the one we used for Ides)? Just so I can get an idea (of what's too big for my living room) when I'm looking on Craig's List....
Found these:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/app/2668827975.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/app/2670256612.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/app/2660358141.html
Got a Magic Chef on CL for $50. This guy has a video converting it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnKJ8cHcuKg
Then blew $150 for a double tower tap head. I agree the kegging thing is getting pricey.
I don't mind bottling. There's a lot of convenience in being able to give bottles to friends and family, bottles that have quality carbonation. And if it's something you want to age, like a belgian, saison, stout, or barleywine, you can keep portions around easily without worrying about tying up one of your kegs. I still have a few bottles of a stout I made a year ago (not a particularly good stout, but still). I'm happy to have one keg for our events, but I think I'll pass for a while on getting any other equipment.
I got mine for $208 last year with no tax and free shipping. I ordered it Dec. 22 and it arrived Dec. 24. If anyone can wait another month or so that is when everyone drops the price on everything. I got my 2 corny setup for $120 no tax and free shipping last year and now the same setup is $100 more (2 cornies, 5lbs tank, dual regulator, all the hoses and disconnects). Distributors drop prices like crazy for christmas. But usually in limited supply.
I too was sick of bottling after only a few batches. I at first looked into getting a used mini-fridge and doing the conversion myself, however the lack of tools I own and experience with this sort of project led me to purchasing a used kegerator unit. I ended up getting the Danby model for $260 which came with the 5lb tank and regulator and all the hoses. Only things I had to buy were the Corny kegs and disconnects. All in all I think I got a pretty good deal and now have a draft set up for a few hundred bucks.
I bought this one right before last christmas. It is great and it holds 2 kegs and a 5lbs tank no problem. I was able to keep the shelving on the door which is great because that's where I store my hops, yeast and have room for some bottles or cans too. I haven't modified it yet to a kegerator because once you go there you can't turn back. I would advise staying away from the commercially available kegerators because they tend to be constructed very cheap. I will post pics shortly to show what it looks like.
If you go online through kegworks or Midwest, they have fully assembled kits with everything you need. That route is usually cheaper then buying everything individually.
And, now that i've had a little time to think about your original question, you could invest in a cold plate instead of a fridge. In this setup you keep your keg wherever you need at room temp. The beer line is then sent through the plate where it is chilled and brought down to drinking temp.
here is an example : http://www.midwestsupplies.com/cold-plates-double-line.html Ebay has these for much cheaper too. the cheaper route would be a stainless steel coil, which would do the same thing from Mcmaster-Carr
Thanks for all the input. I understand the speed factor. After I had to keg for Ides, I was sold on kegging by the sheer speed of transferring beer from carboy to keg. Then I started looking into more equipment.......
I think I could fit a smallish fridge in our downstairs living room (right next to the two couches; super convenient for parties or even movies). Now, that tennis is wrapping up, I'll have more time to go back to brewing. Maybe I will have saved up a bit of dough to get s'more kegging stufff by the time the next batch is done fermenting.
As a little aside re: kegging. Before Ides I had been asking around for a "list of parts" to kegging like David had done for the mash tun workshop. I think we should compile one (with resources from which one may purchase these parts). Although I had seen pictures of regulators online, the guy from whom I bought mine "sold" me on some exorbitantly priced triple-gauge, two-spout model onto which he put two Ts (i.e., two lines of gas from each of two gauges) and assured me this wasn't too extravagant for the mere 5 lb. tank I purchased (something about now being able to carb two kegs at one PSI and serve two kegs at a different PSI without constantly disconnecting/reconnecting). Would have been nice to simply go in with a list of CHAOS-endorsed equipment rather than flying by the seat of my pants.
For me..I hate bottling...to labor intensive and storing all those cases...plus I like having my brew cold on tap...
here is a link to my thread showing my keezer build...I found my keezer for $80 on CL and it is a 5.0cu. With a 8" collar it can hold 3 corney kegs...now my collar I made out of solid maple$$$...but you can do it out of pine and paint it...I also installed a love controller, but a RANCO works good too....of course...I love projects and be more then happy to assist...
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/my-new-keezer-206510/
Here is a 7 cu ft freezer I just found on CL for $75
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/app/2666357016.html
also...if you do decide to go the route Bill suggest by buying a new freezer at Costco...you can still keep the warranty valid. Instead of putting in a collar and actual faucet taps, you can just leave the freezer as is and use picnic taps left inside the freezer. When you want to serve, open the lid, pull a beer, then close. Freezer remains in tack. The 7 cubic feet freezers are nice and compact too.
FYI, you don't necessary need a fridge or freezer to convert to still use kegs. You can transfer your beer into a keg, carbonate it, and then simply store it somewhere. Putting it in the same place you ferment isnt a bad idea. You'll want to keep it somewhere that doesn't have drastic temp swings. When you're ready to start drinking it, put it on ice. Or if you want to spend a little dough, buy a keg glove with an ice pack insert. Serve and enjoy.
If you're looking for a way to serve over a longer period...you're gonna have to invest a little money. Be patient, and keep an eye on Craigstlist. Find a good used fridge and convert it with some taps. I can help more in this area if you go that route.
As far as the space issue goes, try to find a smaller mini-fridge. You can usually fit two corny kegs into the taller type fridge. I'd also recommend a small freezer too...like bill mentioned. The freezers are more energy efficient, but will require a controller to bypass the internal settings and put the freezer at a temperature range suitable for serving beer.
There are costs associated with kegging...but I love pouring beers from draft. And who really wants to clean and disinfect two cases of bottles, then fill and cap each one. Kegging is one transfer.
I feel your pain Jim! We are now scouring craigslist to find a kegerator or cheap mini fridge. No luck as of yet. We hope to have a kegerator up and running in two weeks when two batches will be ready to keg... We shall see...
Sheesh! Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Kegging already broke the bank and I don't even have any kegs or a place to keep 'em cool.
Has anyone done a cost/benefit analysis of kegging? I could get two cases of brown bottles FREE from the bar across the street; sugar for bottling cost $10/bag and lasts at least 5 5-gal. batches (that's $2/5-gal. batch for bottling). Compare that with the $40/keg, $300+ kegerator, $100 for the tank, $20 for hosing/clamps. For 5 5-gal. batches that $124/5-gal. batch. $2 vs. $124 is a colossal difference! Of course, that's just at start-up. But, when does one actually start breaking-even (or coming out ahead) with kegging? Once you've purchased all the startup stuff and have 6 kegs at one's disposal?
I'm not finding any cogent and compelling reason to pry open my wallet and purchase the rest of the start-up kegging stuff....