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BeerSmith help

Hello... First off, I am happy to have met several members at last nights Hoppy Hour!  To those I met, thanks for making me feel welcome...

I have a copy of BeerSmith that I've been using at home for a while.  I'm wondering if anyone can offer any guidance as to what equipment setup I can load into the application for all grain brewing at CHAOS (as in what equipment is available that I can configure into BeerSmith).  I would like to begin working on some recipes for when I am able to start using the CHAOS facility in May.  

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We have 15 gallon pots and 10

We have 15 gallon pots and 10 gallon mash tuns... With the 15 gallon pots you need to caclulate a 1.5 gallon lost per hour on the boil... Hope that helps.

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There's a pot and cooler

There's a pot and cooler profile in beersmith that I modified for using the pots at the brewhouse.  If you use the profile with the 10 gallon igloo cooler, you don't need to modify that part at all; just adjust your pot size and boil off rate.  I generally lose a bit over 1 gallon an hour for the 10 gallon pots, and a bit over 1.5 gallons an hour with the 15 gallon pots.

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I'm interested in the answer

I'm interested in the answer to this, too.

I want my money back for the actual beersmith program and all the batches it's fucked up for me. How many god damned fields do I have to tweak, change, alter, or otherwise change to get it to work right?

Case in point, I plugged in the "American Pale Ale" recipe from Zainasheff/Palmer's "Brewing Classic Styles" and I'm not getting any of the numbers Z/P list in the book.

If someone who knows beersmith well can come to the open house next Saturday, let me know, I'll bring my computer. Instead of typing out right here every last field which should be tweaked, every last profile to be adjusted, let's just look at beersmith and make the changes on my version.

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Jim,

Jim,

I get great results with beersmith, and consistently am within 5 or so percent of my numbers.  There's no question that it takes some tweaking for every single recipe; that's probably my biggest annoyance with brewsmith.  I found that I started hitting (or getting close to) my numbers when I began keeping closer track of my volumes.  Figure out (as precisely as you can) how much you're collecting and how much you're leaving behind.  Use the same equipment every time if you can.  I put .3 gallons as the MLT deadspace for Lucas's tun, and another .3 for chiller/trub losses to the counterflow.  I make sure that I've collected enough pre-boil volume before I start my boil, and I use about 1.2 gallons/hour boil off rate for your pot on a blichmann burner.  That's a vigorous boil, but you can actually boil off slightly more if you really get a crazy boil going.

I'm always happy to help walk you through, and I can email you the profile I use for lucas's tun and your pot if we're not going to be at the brewhouse at the same time in the near future.

-Adam

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I agree with Adam...

I agree with Adam... equipment setup is key to getting anything accurate out of BeerSmith.

There's some info here on how to do it:

http://beersmith.com/equipment-setup/

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Adam, e-mailing me the

Adam, e-mailing me the profiles would be awesome. Thanks!

 

Eric, thanks for the link. I'm checking it out right now.

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I just checked out Eric's

I just checked out Eric's link and entered your numbers, Adam (since I almost always use Lucas' tun and my pot).

I didn't know that you actually need to KNOW the efficiency. I thought that's what the whole program does. You enter a recipe, it tells you what it should be and what it actually was.

For the recipe I brewed yesterday, under the "fermentation" tab under the section "Brewhouse Efficiency" it says "Tot Effienciency 72.00%" (with a blue dot to the right of it, whatever that means) and then right below that "Measured Efficiency 55.4%". If the latter is the efficiency I actually got, WTF?

I'm definitely at the point in my brewing where I'm tired of simply/merely making reasonably tastey brew. I want to fucking do it right not simply chalk it up and say, "Well, at least it *tastes* good, right?"

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Jim,

Jim,

You need to enter the estimated efficiency for your system.  That's how beersmith calculates the numbers it gives you.  If you routinely get 60% efficiency, and you enter 60 in the "Tot Efficiency" field in the recipe design screen, that will help you to hit your numbers more accurately.  Remember, the goal is consistency, not necessarily high efficiency (unless low efficency is an indicator of something wrong with your process). Who cares if you have to put an extra lb or two of base malt in your recipe to get the OG where you want it, as long as you know to do that?  With the equipment at the brewhouse, I can usually count on an efficiency of around 75% for beers up to around 1.060.  Above that and I estimate 70% efficency, unless it's a really big beer (> 1.090), in which case I estimate 65%.

Measured efficency is what Beersmith calculates based on you entering your measured OG and volume into the fermenter.  If you don't record those numbers and re-input them back into beersmith, your measured efficiency is going to be totally wrong.  I also try to record and enter pre-boil volume and pre-boil gravity, as that lets me know if I'm approximately where I should be prior to boiling.

-Adam

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I think that's why I'm so

I think that's why I'm so vexed by BS. Out of, what, 25+ brews I've kept meticulous track of volumes and gravities (everything field BS asks for) and I'm still not hitting my numbers.

I'll try your tun/pot profile when I brew again in a couple weeks and see what happens.

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Right, but if your estimated

Right, but if your estimated efficiency is not at least close to what you get, you won't hit your numbers.  Garbage in-garbage out and all that.  Look back at all your recipes, and see what your measured efficiency is.  If it's relatively consistent, then you just say, well, that's roughly the efficiency that I get, and enter that as your "Brewhouse efficiency" in the profile.  Then you can adjust your grain amounts (generally just base malt) to get the numbers that the recipe calls for.

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Ah, okay. Gotcha. Understood.

Ah, okay. Gotcha. Understood.

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Scaling recipes for

Scaling recipes for efficiency only modify base malt.

i.e. the recipe calls for 10lb of pale malt and 2 lb of c40 @ 70% eff in a 5 gallon batch. Your system gets 60% you should add 2lb more base malt and keep the crystal the same.

If you are scaling for volume scale everything. 

i.e. the recipe calls for 10lb of pale malt and 2 lb of c40 @ 70% eff in a 5 gallon batch. You need 6 gallons, you would add 2lb base grain and about 1/2lb of c40.

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a little late to this thread,

a little late to this thread, but i have had decent success with brewtarget, and its free.

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So, here we go again...

So, here we go again...

I'm using the profile Adam sent me. I plugged in a recipe for a Saison, I chose all the appropriate boxes, &c.
 Not getting the same SRM, IBUs (or OG), as the person who posted the recipe. Am I just expecting the wrong things (or too much) from BeerSmith? Do you guys plug in recipes and then tweak it to get the numbers the original brewer got?

I'm so baffled....

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IBUs are always going to be a

IBUs are always going to be a bit different because there are several different ways of calculating them, and they all involve some guesses/assumptions.  OG will be different because whoever posted the recipe will have different efficiency than you.  SRM should be pretty damn close.  Check the volumes.  I believe the profile I sent you is meant to put 5.5 gallons into the fermentor so that you get close to 5 gallons of finished beer.

So the short answer is yes, you have to tweak recipes when you put them in beersmith to get the numbers that you want.  BUT, that only works if you have beersmith set up properly, which involves knowing what efficiency you get with your system.  Like I said, I get pretty good results estimating at 70% efficiency for mid-high gravity beers.  If you're constantly missing your gravity on the low side, set your Tot Efficiency to 65% (or even 60% if you miss badly) and then adjust your base malt up to get your recipe where it should be.

Ultimately, if you get beersmith set up right, it should be a relatively good model for your system.  Obviously your system is going to make a different beer than the guy online's system, so the goal isn't to make beersmith match that.  You want beersmith to consistenly model what your equipment/techniques produce.  Once you have that set up, things should be easier for you.

-Adam

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Thanks, Adam, et al. I

Thanks, Adam, et al. I realize I'm pretty fucking dense when it comes to this. For some reason it's taking a lot longer than most for this BS shit to sink in. I appreciate everyone's thoughtful - and patient! - responses. I'll wrap my head around BS one of these days....

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And, here we go again (piece

And, here we go again (piece of shit program).

Adam sent me a recipe, I opened it in BS, I hit the "save" button. I've since closed BS and re-opened it, the recipe's not there. I have to go through the whole process of "importing" it again. What gives?

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And, to add insult to injury,

And, to add insult to injury, when I click "File" and "Import Wizard" and click on the directory where Adam's recipe is, it tells me that there are no beersmith recipes in tha folder. Yet, when I click to that folder in Windows, lo an behold! There it is! The recipe is actually in that directory!

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You might just want to spend

You might just want to spend an hour and watch all these videos.

http://beersmith.com/video/

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If you recommend them I may

If you recommend them I may watch them. But, shit, I'm neither an old geezer nor a Luddite; it shouldn't be this damn difficult to navigate the program.

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Could I also get these

Could I also get these profiles messaged to me? This is my first round of beersmith and I would like to have a good batch of beer, however I am also confused at all of the variables. I just need equipment specs and mash tun specs. Thanks homies.

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